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Since: 2007-08-08 10:30:45.829588
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In 2002 UnitedFuture reintroduced the issue of family onto the New Zealand political landscape. It had become a dormant issue over many years as family form had changed and what we now describe as political correctness had increased to the extent that family had joined politics and religion as one of those issues “best not talked about.”

Since 2002, the issue of family has become mainstreamed, with all the major parties now claiming to be family friendly and flagship policies like the Families Commission and the Working for Families tax credits introduced. All that is good and should be welcomed. But more needs to be done yet before we can truly say that parents and families are properly valued in our society. ... Read the full text of this blog post.

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Quentin Todd
Since: 2007-11-03 07:27:50.433
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Peter,
All the very best to you and UnitedFuture for 2008.

It is going to be stormy one which what all expect out of an election year. Although this may sound negative I believe as time pursues the Election Day, UnitedFuture will be able to think strategically for it.

I believe this post on families points to a very good start in how you want to communicate to your publics in the arena of "Family". Yes there are going to be bandwagon loads of far right, [too far in my view] but then, they will have very little assumptive value. Our domestic policy has been the meat for which baiters have tried to catch voters out by their illusions.

Therefore, you are right to question your position as you resume this year. I in turn, will put on my strategic thinker cap and see what I can help you with.

your comment: "wider focus of family function, and how that can be enhanced. Policies around good parenting, valuing children, affordable housing, decent incomes, inclusion and openness are what will count and excite people's interest. That means respecting people for what they are, not what we might think they ought to be, and encouraging to get on with their lives to the best of their abilities. In short, the classic Kiwi ideal." For what they are and not what we might think they ought to be is a key.

I am interested, as a single person, who babysits alot and have friends with families, how this can be achieved, pulling of course, to centre, or even as I approach politics in this country, centre left a bit to ballbearing a position as to balance the crap from the truth, or reality.

In my discussions with a father with three children and a small business aside his main employment,middle income, two cars and cost of living starting to hurt, liked my idea of suggesting that GST be taken off food and neccessary services that would help balance the home budget. I suggested also that maybe GST be reduced back to 10% for small businesses, but he was inclined to think it might not work in the long scheme of things.

Well, thats my first 20 cents worth.

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Michael Martin
Since: 2007-10-16 12:42:16.079
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Hi, Peter;

My apologies in advance for what will be a lengthy post.

What you have just described is a common phenomenon. Whenever a healthy social movement gets started, it is only a matter of time before people with pathological agendas (and sometimes, explicit pathologies of their own) try to jump on the bandwagon and hijack the movement. As you say, "All they do alienate so many people with their rabid message, and turn away many others of more moderate persuasion, wary of promoting issues about parenting and families, lest they become tarred by the extremists' brush."

In other words, as the "extremists" infect a social movement, they drive away normal, healthy elements, and attract more and more deviant elements, until the movement itself becomes sick. A detailed explanation of how this happens is given in the book Political Ponerology by retired Polish clinical psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski (whose work I have mentioned elsewhere).

So, how can we defend healthy social movements from this kind of influence? I don't have "pat" answers, but learning to recognize unhealthy influences from the start is essential. The most common form these influences take in New Zealand society is that of doctrinaire ideologies, both of the "far left" (e.g., Marx, Engels) and the "far right" (e.g., Thomas Hobbes or Leo Strauss). What all such ideologies have in common is an impoverished, reductionist, often primitive, view of human nature. Although such ideologies attract a diverse range of followers, their originators and chief exponents are almost always psychologically sick people.

These ideologues often give away their true nature in their statements and writings. One tell-tale sign is what Dr. Lobaczewski calls the "schizoid declaration," which is a statement or expression in the following general form:

"Human nature is so bad that order in human society can only be maintained by a strong power created by highly qualified individuals in the name of some higher idea."

The debate over the repeal of Section 59 provided an outstanding example of what I am talking about. Many of the "far right" opponents of the law change made "schizoid declarations" to the effect that "children are so naughty and wicked that only the threat of severe corporal punishment can keep them from growing up to be delinquents and criminals." Many proponents of the change, on the other hand, made "schizoid declarations" of their own, to the effect that "Parents (especially fathers) are so brutal, uncaring and ignorant, that only the heavy hand of the Police and CYFS can keep them from bashing their kids to death." In both cases, we heard views of human nature so impoverished that they can only be described as caricatures.

One of the most pestilent effects of these ideologies (and their proponents) is that they tend to induce a "Salem witch hunt" hysteria in society as a whole. A recent case in point is the ludicrous and absurd over-reaction of the public and the police to Jimmy Mason's disciplining of his youngest son. Had it not been for the overall level of public hysteria, the police would surely have acted more sensibly.

So, how to counter this on the campaign trail? You could point out, in your "stump speeches," that the "easy answers" offered by doctrinaire ideologies are the political equivalent of "get rich quick" schemes, which promise easy wealth but only end up impoverishing those who fall for them. Just as the scam artist is indifferent to the lives he ruins in pursuit of wealth, so the ideologue is indifferent to the social devastation his ideas cause. You should point out that ideologies which ignore or minimize important (and often messy) aspects of human life often have a mesmerizing appeal, but that voters should resist that appeal, and examine all such philosophies in the light of conscience and common sense.

Again, my apologies for the length of this post, but countering pathological influences in social movements is an important topic. I recommend that you purchase and read Political Ponerology (from Red Pill Press in Canada), for a more complete explanation of this subject.

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Quentin Todd
Since: 2007-11-03 07:27:50.433
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Michael, Peter

Michael: a wonderful post. You have pointed to a good answer to a long standing problem-Tall Poppie syndrome or low self esteem. By explaining the problem, you have helped me understand a crucial factor.

One thing that occurred to me is that when a ideology is pronounced-the media pick it up very quickly and mass appeal or worse naive hysteria sets in. Section 59 is a very good example.

Peter: As you are more than aware, and as I, a qualified and horrified journalist, presentation of Family in your campaign this year would need careful planning in that it is a very much a bandwagon deal. The media will bite every step of the way. Speech writing is an important point for you to consider when tackling far right rubbish and far left stupidity.

You have done a great job on Families policy.

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